James Gleick on The Telephone: A New History

James Gleick — acclaimed science writer and bestselling author of Chaos: Making a New Science as well as biographies on polymaths Isaac Newton and Richard Feynman — joins Sonal Chokshi and Robert Hackett to discuss his new book, The Telephone: A New History. It is a story of a device — who really invented it, how? — of a network, of a lab, and of how innovation happens.

The telephone was dismissed as a toy or a frivolity — at best, something people could use to listen to concerts or sermons from home. Even with a working invention, everyone was still trying to figure out what a telephone was for, using the framework of what they already knew. Then its users started finding their own answers. Farmers built their own decentralized networks using barbed-wire fences — the “devil’s rope” — and, over time, research at a company built around phone calls helped lay the foundations of modern computing.

This conversation explores the nuances of building at the frontier: competing inventors, the experiments, the “scenius of genius.” Why did established businesses underestimate it? Did the telephone network have to become a monopoly? What made Bell Labs so productive?

And how a single invention could set off a technology revolution.

In this episode:

  • 00:00 Intro: James Gleick and this new book
  • 02:07 The messy invention of the telephone
  • 03:53 When a “toy” becomes indispensable
  • 08:15 How network effects changed the telephone
  • 14:29 How farmers built a decentralized phone network from barbed wire
  • 17:20 What Mark Twain missed while eavesdropping on his wife’s phone calls
  • 20:12 To play monopoly or not?
  • 31:22 Open vs. closed systems
  • 37:17 What made Bell Labs (and Xerox PARC) more than one-hit wonders?
  • 41:20 Scientists, tinkerers, and the conditions for invention
  • 47:22 Debating whether AI is a fourth industrial revolution
  • 52:11 How technology changes the way we think
  • 54:18 James Gleick on solo writing vs. social conversation
  • 58:25 The world brain
  • 59:55 From “ahoy” to “hello, world”

Show notes

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https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374618940/thetelephone/

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